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Sunday, 04 November 2012, 01:48

Mythbusting for novices

One of the Mozilla guys had a go at mythbusting for HTML5.

Hint: Don't start busting your first myth by agreeing that it is true!

And worse, then proceed to try to make excuses!

And worse again, claiming that it isn't their fault!

I made a couple of long comments on the blog and from one he accused me of 'standing in the way' of the project. I would think that trying to pretend that there aren't technical problems that need to be overcome is more likely to hinder a project than comments from the peanut gallery.

The adversarial attitude was a bit of a surprise actually - from a guy who is paid to be liked and to make people like his employer. He just made me want to troll!

It's not a political problem, it's a technical one

Unfortunately I didn't notice the 'evangalist' tag: the guy's just a talker. But no amount of talking will fix the technical problems in making a browser a viable application platform.

But I think given how much money and time has been poured into it already, one might reasonably come to the conclusion that the whole task is simply an engineering feat beyond the technology being used.

For example, although you could conceivably take an every day sedan and turn it into a usable armoured vehicle: this is just not "the way you do it" - at least, if you want to do it in a technically competent and cost effective manner.

This is how I see HTML5. Although you can do all sorts of amazing and tricky stuff with it, it's not the way you would choose to do it if you had a free choice in the matter and a wide experience of the options available.

Stick to your strengths (or, "The world is not enough?")

The delivery of information and entertainment through the world wide web was a revolution which has impacted all of our lives.

Should they not be satisfied with that?

This "holy grail" of a web delivery of desktop-style applications through a platform delivered by multiple vendors is an expensive experiment which looks set to continue.

Tagged rants.
Wednesday, 31 October 2012, 10:16

SNAFU!

I came across this "Kid Safe" site whilst searching for something unrelated. Just a sunshiney wrapper to Wikipedia by the looks.

The thing that piqued my interest is that many other 'online dictionaries' were abbreviating the 'fucked' to 'f*@#$d' or 'frigg'n', you know, the ones aimed at adults and not kids.

You know what so-called `dictionaries' it isn't 'friggan', it's fucked' and you're simply incorrect. SNAFU indeed.

Get it right.

Even a `kid-safe' site can!

A screenshot to preserve it for posterity:

... I guess that's what they get for appropriating Wikipedia.

And why Australian schoolchildren would be interested in some obscure dead president of the USA is beyond me ...

Tagged humour.
Saturday, 27 October 2012, 02:00

64 core Parallela & ARM A9 Zynq

Well it looks like the Parallella endeavour did get funded after-all (just minutes ago). They only really got organised in the last 3 days so I really thought it was too late but they managed to get the word out and excitement up enough to make it.

Well done.

As I said previously, the 16-core chip is a teaser and the 64-core is where the action is ... So I was pleased they offered a guaranteed 64-core version once it was clear that the $3M target was a bit optimistic. So even I, the cynical old c**t that I am, got caught up a bit in it myself and went for the 64 core chip plus the early 16 core one, cases and a t-shirt. A bit of an indulgence but I can afford it.

I'm sure most people don't really understand what they're getting into (that's pretty much the modus operandi of Kickstarter), but a Zynq board for $100 is still good value apparently even without the floating-point accelerator tacked on.

Although they just made it now, it's still open for a few hours, so get over there and have a poke if you're interested in a fully documented open embeddable low-power platform - i.e. ALL of the components will be documented and include ALL the free software to access it, including the accelerator. (well, this is what is promised, i'm not sure how far it stretches to the ARM/Zynq, but I presume that is already covered elsewhere).

This is in stark contrast to other 'open' boards such as:

As the basic board comes with a 'Zynq' processor, which is a dual-core A9 plus a FPGA on chip, it opens up more than just parallel processing to 'the masses' to include reconfigurable hardware too. I don't know much about these but I have it on good authority that they are very cool chips and i'm looking forward to investigating that aspect as well - if i ever get the time to (the lack of free tools there might impede too).

Given this open nature i've been a bit bummed by some of the hostile reception it's received in some of the 'open hardware/software' forums and mailing lists. Come on fellas, the world is big enough for more players - no need to get so defensive. And given how much of a whinge they've all had about vendor documentation, GPL violations, tainting buggy binary driver blobs, and everything else the cool reception is more than a little baffling. If nothing else some competition has to help making progress with other vendors who have all closed ranks.

Scalar vs SIMD, not all FLOPS are equal

I think some just don't see what the big deal is - it's just a chip not a solution, so and so have a chip that does x flops too, blah has something coming that will blow it all away, or those total flops just aren't that much ...

The problem with marketing numbers is that they're just marketing numbers. Peak FLOPS are impossible to achieve with any cpu and any algorithm - but the main avenue for increasing the FLOP count for the last 20 years - SIMD - only makes this much harder to achieve.

GPU's only make this worse. They throw so much hardware at it you still get very good results - but they aren't efficient at many tasks, and difficult enough to programme for the ones they are.

I'm sure you'd have to be living under a rock to miss the fact that when the Playstation 3 came out, a lot of developers made a lot of noise about how difficult it was to programme for. If you put in the time - and you really had to resort to assembly language - you could get phenomenal through-put through the SPUs, but if you didn't, all you had were 6 fairly gutless cores which were on top of that - a bit tricky to use. And it used a lot of power to get there.

Although the Eiphany shares some of the trickiness of use that the SPU's do (including the cache-less local memory, although it's easier to access off-core memory), simply because it is scalar a higher flop utilisation rate should be achievable for normal code. Without having to resort to assembly language or even worse - intrinsics. Not to mention the power differential: 90 odd gflops for the 64-core version ... in 5w system power.

A floating point MUL only has a latency of 4 cyles too - rather than the 7 on the CELL or 6 (iirc) for NEON, which makes the compiler or assembly language writer's job of scheduling that bit easier as well. Although assembly is an absolute must for NEON, the instruction set it so simple and there are so many registers i'd be surprised if it was needed in practice for the epiphany core.

Another point about competitors - ziilabs thing looks awesome! An embedded chip with a programmable multi-core co-processor! Yay! Oh, I can't actually get a machine with one in it? Oh. It only runs Android - a cut down, appliance version of Linux? Boo. Even if you could get one the grid-cpu is proprietary and secret and only we're allowed to use it, and you must go through the framework we provide? Blah, who cares.

Nothing's perfect

Engineering is not mathematics or science. Mathematics is absolute. Science is knowing to within a known degree of knowing. Engineering is a constant compromise. The real world has a habit of getting in the way. Cost, time, knowledge, physics, they all conspire to prevent the attainment of mathematical perfection.

The human curse that we all bear is that if we ever actually got what we truly wished for, we'd just think of something else we wanted.

PS This list is just my take on a fairly quick reading of the architecture documents and instruction set, it may contain wildly inaccurate misreadings and other mistakes.

Software
Well they're opening everything up for a reason, the 4 (or 5?) man team just doesn't have the resources to fill out everything. It's cheap enough that there should be no real barriers to entry to poking around, and the more that poke the more that gets done for free. This will be an interesting test to see how a loose group fares against multinational corporations and commercial standards bodies in coming up with usable solutions.

So it might be a while before X is accelerated, if ever.

The thing that most gives me the willies is that the sdk is based on eclipse, but it uses gcc as the backend anyway.

Memory
The 16 core version only has 32K SDRAM per core and 512K total per chip. And that includes both instruction and data. This per-core amount is the same as the cache on most ARM chips and will be a bit tricky to deal with. However this isn't a hard limit, just the limit on what is cheapest to access. OpenCL kernels are usually a lot smaller than this though, and so you can certainly get real work done with it. Not being confined to the OpenCL programming model would also enable efficient implementation of streaming (which is another way to save memory use).

The low latency instructions means loops wont have to be unrolled so much to hide them, so it should be able to achieve a higher code density anyway (not to mention the 16-bit versions of every instruction).

No cache
Only local memory. Programmers do hate this ... but the benefits you get from not having one are worth it here. A lot less power and silicon on the hardware side, and even though it might be a bit tricker to write efficient code, you're not getting hit with weird an unexpected results either because some data size hit cache tag aliasing. It goes a bit further than that too - no need for hardware memory barriers either, a write or read is a write or read to or from the target memory, not some half-way house. No cache snooping required.

I thought this (LDS) was one of the coolest features of SPUs, and it's a must-have in OpenCL too.

Latency
As one goes further from your local cell, the latency of memory access goes up quite quickly because as far as I can tell, each lane only goes one over and it requires multiple hops. But application-accessible DMA can be used to hide this and since you'll use it with the small local memory size anyway, it kind of comes for free.

Memory protection, virtual memory
None at all whatsoever on the accelerator. This is another bullet point as to how it achieves such a high flops/watt ratio.

Hardware threads
None. Rather than hide latency using multiple threads, one uses DMA.

Synchronisation primitives
None none that I noticed beyond a test and set instruction. This is a bit of a bummer actually as this kind of stuff can be very cool and very fast - but unfortunately it is also a gigantic patent minefield so i'm not surprised none is included. I'm talking about mailbox queues and mark/release type instructions for non-blocking primitives.

Since a core can only talk to its neighbours, this is probably not so useful or important anyway now I think about it.

Tagged beagle, free software, opencl, philosophy, rants.
Thursday, 25 October 2012, 08:36

Android face detector demo

First things first, this is not about using the android api to detect a face, it's about some code i've been experimenting with over the last few months.

I decided to just upload the skeleton demo application i've been using for testing the detector on Android. It might give me the impetus to spend some more time on it.

I've put the package on google code in the MediaZ project as DetectNEON-0.apk (for want of somewhere better to put it). Note that there is no public source for it at the moment.

Update: I was a bit too lazy and only implemented code for a front-facing camera. I just uploaded another package DetectNEON-1.apk which might fix it, or just break it for everything.

The app has an inconveniently placed slider that lets one adjust the matching threshold, which may be required under different lighting conditions or due to the qualities of the camera sensor. One can also switch between android's 'built in' face detector and mine with the buttons at the top. The aspect ratio of the video display is broken, but that isn't what i was trying to test here. It is also obviously only displaying the raw hits and not grouping them in any way.

On my ainol elf 2 tablet the detector takes around 45ms on a 640x480 input frame using the settings i've set: minimum object size detected is 51x51 pixels, up to about 400x400. The code is single-threaded and I was using 'normal' mode for the CPU scheduler.

For comparison the Android face detector API takes about 500-600ms, although it does search to a smaller size - which is a critical factor in execution time for sliding window algorithms.

It seems to work better than I remembered, but I think last time i tested it was late at night in a poorly lit room.

Update 2: Just a bit more info that is scattered over the blog.

Tagged android, hacking.
Tuesday, 23 October 2012, 09:39

On NEON vs OpenCL

So I just reached a 'have output' milestone on some code i'm working on and I was reflecting on how much effort it was to code a similar algorithm in NEON in assembly language compared to OpenCL on a GPU.

In my case, NEON comes out on top in terms of 'developer productivity'.

  1. Mistakes crash a process - not your computer.
  2. Easier to debug in gdb (I know there are OpenCL device debuggers now, but not when I started).
  3. Better libraries.
  4. Not portable - but OpenCL isn't portable between device-classes either, and isn't available on every system.
  5. Easier memory management - it's just the same as C.
  6. Easier to bind with C code - it's just the same as C.
  7. Very low call overhead.

The last two points are quite significant. Because of the overheads of OpenCL you're forced to put big chunks of complex algorithm onto the device - not to mention the hairy code required to get good performance out of not-trivially-parallel tasks.

With NEON you only need to code the stuff that runs slower than it should in C (and despite all the years of compiler advances, there's still a lot of code like this), and just leave the complex business logic and outer loops to the compiler (it usually does an ok job at that). Even without resorting to exotic bit manipulation and in-register lookup-tables, such a simple operation as a "float - scale - clamp - byte conversion" (as typically encountered in image processing) is several times faster via NEON than in C, and not a lot harder to write.

It helps that NEON has a nice orthogonal instruction set with sane mnemonics and a healthy register count, unlike some other crap one could mention ...

Pity it's still slow!

The main issue is of course that these CPU's are pretty gutless, and you can't get the sort of performance you can out of a desktop machine, let alone a GPU (but those can't fit in your pocket either). Of course, this is the type of problem the parallella project is trying to address - but they seem to be having a bit of a kickstarter melt-down and haven't updated their project in a few days. Well one hopes the publicity gained helps them get something going anyway even if this particular effort fails.

Update: Well Adapteva finally put some more stuff up. I guess going for the 'cheaper/faster beagleboard' type thing is better than their original approach, even if it de-emphasises the parallel nature somewhat. Whether it's that or the request for more noise, it seems to be picking up a good amount, although $200K in 2 days is a big ask.

Tagged beagle, hacking, opencl.
Monday, 22 October 2012, 23:41

NEON complex multiply

In the last post I mentioned writing a complex multiply for NEON.

It's actually a good demonstration of the use of a NEON feature - data manipulation on loads, and it's quite trivial i'll post it here.

Complex Multiply

As one might recall, a complex multiply:

C = A * B

Is implemented as the expansion:

C = A * B
  = (A.re + A.im j) * (B.re + B.im j)
  = (A.re * B.re - A.im * B.im) + (A.re * B.im + A.im * B.re) j

Where of course j*j = -1.

If the real and imaginary parts are stored in separate planes, this translates trivially to a set of SIMD instructions, but normally they are stored as (real, imag) pairs.

VLD2

Here is where VLD2 comes to the aid of the weary programmer. It will automatically unpack 2-element fields into separate registers and simply allow you to write the code as if the data was stored as planes to start with.

It wasn't quite clear from the documentation how it handled more than 4x2 elements but with an experiment I worked it out and it does the thing you'd expect, allowing you to use quad-word ops.

Memory:

$00000000: a.real a.imag b.real b.imag
$00000010: c.real c.imag d.real d.imag

 LDR  r0,=0
 VLD2 { d0-d3 }, [r0]

Registers (as float2)

  d0  a.real b.real
  d1  c.real d.real
  d2  a.imag b.imag
  d3  c.imag d.imag

Registers (as float4)

  q0  a.real b.real c.real d.real
  q1  a.imag b.imag c.imag d.imag

Code

By unrolling the loop 4x in SIMD and 2x in instructions one can perform 8 complex multiplies per loop:

    @ r0 is address of C
    @ r1 is address of A
    @ r2 is address of B
cmult8:
    @ q8, q10 = A[0-7].real
    @ q9, q11 = A[0-8].imag
    @ q12, q14 = B[0-7].real
    @ q13, q15 = B[0-7].imag

    vld2.32  { d16-d19 },[r1]!
    vld2.32  { d24-d27 },[r2]!
    vld2.32  { d20-d23 },[r1]!
    vld2.32  { d28-d31 },[r2]!

    vmul.f32 q0,q8,q12    @ a.r * b.r [ 0-3 ]
    vmul.f32 q1,q9,q12    @ a.i * b.r
    vmul.f32 q2,q10,q14   @ a.r * b.r [ 4-7 ]
    vmul.f32 q4,q11,q14   @ a.i * b.r

    vmls.f32 q0,q9,q13    @ - a.i * b.i [ 0-3 ]
    vmla.f32 q1,q8,q13    @ + a.r * b.i
    vmls.f32 q2,q11,q15   @ - a.i * b.i [ 4-7 ]
    vmla.f32 q3,q10,q15   @ + a.r * b.i

    vst2.32  { d0-d3 },[r0]!
    vst2.32  { d4-d7 },[r0]!

    mov      pc,lr

q4-q7 are the callee-saved registers, so I simply avoid having to save them by using the others.

There is a few cycle stall for the stores at the end, but in a loop one can load the next 8 complex values before the store to avoid it.

C, NEON

I started pulling some of my experiments together into a prototype today and started to hit some annoying issues: pretty much anything in to do with large arrays of floats in C is 3-4x slower than doing it in NEON.

I can feel a lot of NEON coming on ...

Tagged beagle, hacking.
Friday, 19 October 2012, 04:28

FFT convolution

So i looked into FFT convolution a bit more and nutted out a couple of useful things.

Two for the price of one

The real and imaginary parts of a complex DFT are basically independent if one performs linear operations on them in the complex space.

i.e. if you take two separate (real) images A, and B, and interleave Ai and Bi into a complex image C with Ci = Ai + Bi j, then you can do operations like a convolution in the fourier domain, and after the inverse, reversing the combination trick gives you the two separate images processed with the same operation. Nice.

I'd read this before but the explanations always got hairy - good news is it just works if you don't need to know anything about the signal in the fourier domain, and are just interested in processing each element independently using linear functions.

Cache friendlish 2D operations

Typically when using an FFT operator for 2D signals one does a couple of operations:

But internally a 2D FFT is implemented as a two separate passes, on the rows, then on the columns (or visa-versa), and typically might be implemented with two passes:

ffts only has a single dimensional complex FFT available, so I had to implement the 2D myself. But this provides further opportunities - since for this application I don't particularly care where the various coefficients are, I can just treat each as a separate calculation.

It lets me avoid 2x transposes and also improve the cache coherence for the filter step.

On my test example this version ran in 73% of the time compared to a fully separate 2D convolution.

NEON cmult

I also wrote a NEON complex array multiply. With LD2 this turns out to be quite simple code although I also interleaved a loop to avoid some stalls. 35 cycles to do 8 complex multiplies.

This ran at 4x the gcc performance of a simple C implementation.

Example

Filtered with a simple low-pass pedestal filter. This takes under 200ms on a beagleboard-xm, on which the break-even point for a 2D time domain convolution is around 15x15 or so (using custom NEON code). Obviously I still have some transposition issues - this is one of the things that always gives me the willies with using FFT for signal processing. (Actually I think it's a bug in ffts, it doesn't seem to like multiple plans being created at the same time, this is the same result as if the inverse fft plan was the same as the forward one).

Update: Just a bug - ffts doesn't implement inverse properly on NEON yet, so i'm just getting 2x forwards which mirrors both axes.

Update 2: ffts is now simple to build and inverse and a few other things have been fixed as well. By doing the two at once trick above, and using some NEON for type conversion and clamping, I have the beagleboard-xm (@600Mhz) doing a full byte image to byte image round trip for a Wiener deconvolution using a non-separable point spread function in about 80ms per 512x512 image.

Tagged beagle, hacking.
Thursday, 18 October 2012, 14:46

ARM/NEON FFT, transpose, & cache fun.

For various reasons i've had to look into using an FFT to do some image processing - mostly about performance and scalability - and i didn't really want to deal with FFTW or anything too complicated. I couldn't even find a reference to the performance of a typical ARM chip at doing 2D convolutions (at best all I found was FLOP counts which don't mean much to me).

FFTS - New SIMD FFT library

But I was lucky that a new SIMD enabled FFT library 'fastest fft in the south' - ffts from work on a thesis (afaict) has just shown up, and it supports NEON. I don't know how I found it now - because I just tried to search for it now to get a link to it and I couldn't find it again, even knowing the name, hosting site, author ... from my blog stats fft's are searched for a lot, but for some reason google is shit at finding relevant results. Might've been through stackoverflow.

Anyway - it's still in early stages but with a couple of changes from the author I got it to build on the beagleboard-xm.

It seems fast, but I don't have a handle on how fast fft's are on this hardware ... Nor have I yet written the algorithm I need to test using it. Working in the frequency domain always gives me the willies, but at least C supports complex maths directly.

2D ... transpose?

No 2D FFT at the moment, but 2D is just implemented as FFT in one dimension then the other. So for practical purposes this means along the rows then columns. Which means a transpose ...

Knowing the cache penalty I expected from implementing a straight element by element transpose I tried implementing one using tiles. Works fine, and pretty fast for small image sizes, but for 512x512 (complex float) things really start to slow down ... a lot.

I tried various tile sizes and although 16x16 helped it didn't help much ...

Avoid those redundant copies?

It's all down to the cache. That size just seems to be near worst-case in terms of address aliasing between the source and the destination. The only fix is to change the addresses used ... and the only way to do that is to use a tertiary buffer.

One normally avoids 'redundant' copies, but in this case it's akin to a scatter/gather into LDS, and global memory is only ever accessed in full cache lines (ideally - although from measurements that is less important than just doing runs).

So by transposing the data from the source tile into the buffer first, and then just memcpy'ing that out to the target in rows, I gained a nearly 10x 6x speed improvement for the 512x512 complex float case, and the transpose now scales linearly with the image size (it's about 3ms 4ms for two transposes). With the fixed size of the temp buffer, the compiler generated better code too (although the code it generated before was quite poor), although it's the cache issues that totally dominate the performance regardless.

I could always do an in-place transpose with this as well, which could be handy.

I always 'knew' this stuff, but desktop cpu's have such a large cache and performance it usually doesn't matter (much), but last time I had to really deal with it was writing code for my Amiga 1200. And that was some time ago.

Update: Fixed the numbers after actually verifying the code worked - i.e. fixing the bugs. Still very much better.

Tagged beagle, hacking.
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